Welcome Sharks!

[naf1138]

Cry freedom for all the disgruntled associates of the world.


Chat, talk, bond, get to know each other. I will let you know when Night starts. Them, you can kill someone.

You can kill each other if you want, and you can chose not to kill if you want.

[sachertorte]

Hello scum. Die Die Die. Oh wait.

[hazelnutcoffee]

So we can rip ourselves into shreds? Like zombies?

Oh. Um, PM confirmed!

[sachertorte]

So our PM didn't tell us who everyone else is. For now I have masked my identity. If you hover over my name it will tell you who I am... But the question is, do we want to know who each other are? Is there a benefit to keeping our identities secret from each other?

I'm thinking no, but I've masked my identity for now just in case.

[naf1138]

hazelnutcoffee said:

So we can rip ourselves into shreds? Like zombies?

Oh. Um, PM confirmed!

If you want.

[sachertorte]

Do we get the Vanilla role PM?

[Idle Thoughts]

Woohoo! I'm scum! First time ever.

Here's my role PM

You're a Disgruntled Associate (scum).

"Associate" is a fancy way of saying Employee these days. You have no training in law enforcement, no medical training, no military training. You think a Mason is yet another of those annoying Generation Y slackers who all seemed to be named after movie characters. You don't even have a karate class in your background. You're not really sure how you keep your job, to be honest, and if you were the boss you'd see right through your BS and fire your lazy ass. You consider yourself an above average individual lost in the corporate world of bureaucracy and BS. You've always thought, if the right situation came up, you'd dig in and shine. Well, the right situation just came up.

The corporate rat race? Screw it. No more "team building exercises" , no more "sensitivity training", no more lockstep corporate drones. This retreat, and the abasement of such an amazing place into mundane corporate culture, snapped it for you and four of your fellows. You never knew what a gruntle was, but you're pretty sure you've lost it. You're going to teach everyone a lesson, and if that means that they all have to die...so be it.

The distaste for manual labor which has kept your dead weight cow-orkers from dying at your hands for so long has been washed away by the bracing mountain air. Time to reduce some headcount.


But enough about you, here's some things about you.

(Public) I had my last cat, Clawdia, professionally preserved and she sits in my bedroom.

I've climbed to the top chamber of Cheops.

I watched as over 30 people jumped out of an airborne aircraft.

I've travelled with royalty in torn T-shirt and jeans.

I got an autograph from Billy Crystal on top of the World Trade Center.

I've been a model appearing on the cover of a nationwide catalog


One thing has unsettled your disgruntled group. The vision. Something about this place captured a man's dying moment and is now replaying that to everyone present. As members of a conspiracy to commit mass murder, a potential recording of your deeds bothers you. You don't know if the next death will trigger a replacement of the old monk's last moments, but it's a possibility. Logically, since you're not seeing the death scenes of every monk who ever died here, the event was either a one-of or it will be replaced by the final moments of the next person to snuff it.

So, you've formed a tiger team to address the issue. Reviewing the minutes from your four minute meeting on the topic you've drafted an execution plan. Each Night a single member of your group will be given the action item to carry out an execution. By doing this you mitigate the risks of having all of you identified at once if the death scene of your soon to be late cow-orker does end up broadcast to the group.

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

[Idle Thoughts]

Uhoh, there's an account screwup. The previous post (and this one) is actually Pleonast. Let me fiddle around.

[naf1138]

hmm, you may want to sign up with a new account Pleo. Just to make things easier.

[pleonast]

Hey, sorry for that. I used this board for my Conspiracy game and still had the cookies for the admin account. Good thing I'm scum, or it could've broke the game.

[pleonast]

Oh, and just to be clear, I don't actually know the admin account password anymore (assuming Idle changed). The board apparently accepts cookies as authentication even after the admin password has changed. That is actually a serious security problem for the board software. But in any case I can't get back in as admin. (And, didn't poke around, so any other secrets you may have hidden here are still secret to me.)

Are we allowed to discuss strategy yet?

[sachertorte]

From the game thread NAF wrote:

There is a 17% chance that the scum will be outted in 5 days IF the information is interpreted correctlly and quickly.

When he posted this I was fairly certain that 17% referred to 1/6 chance (1/6 = 16.667). The fact that one Dossier fact is labeled (public) and the other five are not seems to point to that as being the 1/6 chance.
However, NAF wrote that there is a 17% chance of being outted in 5 days. That's a very different probabilistic situation, and I'm not sure how he gets to 17%.

Anyway, my immediate concern is whether there are any differences between Vanilla PM and Scum PM. I really hope NAF posts the Vanilla color. Also I would like to know that Vanilla players have the same 1 public 5 private dossier set-up. I'm assuming so, since I don't see NAF and mtgman putting such a glaring hole in the design.

Also, it occurs to me that trying to say hidden from each other is futile. Anyone who read a single post of mine from any previous game should know who I am by now.

I think we are pretty much stuck with Pleonast and I having an argument/discussion about dossiers on Day One. It's pretty much unavoidable at this point.

[sachertorte]

pleonast said:

Are we allowed to discuss strategy yet?

I'm assuming we can, since the game has a Night start. Strategizing now doesn't yield any undue advantage.

[pleonast]

First, we should all verbatim quote are PMs, so we can see what we have to work with.

My intention is to post my Dossier in the game thread when the Day first starts. It'll be an adulterated Dossier, though, based on what you guys' Dossiers look like.

Sach and me will have a public discussion about revealing Dossiers. I'll be my stubborn foolhardy self and post mine immediately. Hopefully a few Townies will follow my lead. Probably another Scum should post an adulterated Dossier as well. As we get more Townie Dossiers, the later Scum can adjust their lies better.

If a few Townies hold out, Sach can hold out as well. The number of Scum who hold back their Dossiers should be roughly proportional to the number of Townie who do.

[pleonast]

Oh, we should discuss if revealing Dossiers is actually pro-Town or not. Once we decide, either Sach or myself can push harder or "lose" the argument as best meets are scummy needs.

[naf1138]

sachertorte said:

From the game thread NAF wrote:

There is a 17% chance that the scum will be outted in 5 days IF the information is interpreted correctlly and quickly.

When he posted this I was fairly certain that 17% referred to 1/6 chance (1/6 = 16.667). The fact that one Dossier fact is labeled (public) and the other five are not seems to point to that as being the 1/6 chance.
However, NAF wrote that there is a 17% chance of being outted in 5 days. That's a very different probabilistic situation, and I'm not sure how he gets to 17%.


Also, vanilla color will be posted, but not until the game actually starts.
Anyway, my immediate concern is whether there are any differences between Vanilla PM and Scum PM. I really hope NAF posts the Vanilla color. Also I would like to know that Vanilla players have the same 1 public 5 private dossier set-up. I'm assuming so, since I don't see NAF and mtgman putting such a glaring hole in the design.

Also, it occurs to me that trying to say hidden from each other is futile. Anyone who read a single post of mine from any previous game should know who I am by now.

I think we are pretty much stuck with Pleonast and I having an argument/discussion about dossiers on Day One. It's pretty much unavoidable at this point.

You know what sach, after talking to MtgMan, I think I might have been making that 17% number up. My math skill are...weak...and I was going by what I thought he had said, turns out I wasn't so much right as I was wrong.

[sachertorte]

Okay. I think I've figured out the Dossier system. These facts about ourselves are not all unique (I recall NAF's post saying as such). So if a dead man posts that I was killed by a lover of cats. There could be several town with the same (or similar) attribute. So town would know that one of the lovers of cats was scum, but not which one.

Full disclosure is neither pro-town or anti-town. (Pleonast, we may end up arguing about this now. I think we should save it for the Day). If all information is out there, then when death scenes point to someone, that pointing would be likely point to several people. Not good for us, but not terrible either. Hopefully we can exchange a mislynch (or Two!) for a scum lynch.

Plus, we can LIE about our Dossier, but we will need to be quite careful.

We all need to post our Dossier like Pleonast did. Then we can see what info we can put together and hopefully write fake attributes, just in case.

[freudianslit]

Finally here. Whoohoo! This time it seems that Idle and I are on the same side. Interesting indeed.

[sachertorte]

pleonast said:

My intention is to post my Dossier in the game thread when the Day first starts. It'll be an adulterated Dossier, though, based on what you guys' Dossiers look like.

That's a very risky move. I'm not sure if the town has matured enough to recognize it as a crazy move by scum.

My PM:

You're a Disgruntled Associate (scum).

"Associate" is a fancy way of saying Employee these days. You have no training in law enforcement, no medical training, no military training. You think a Mason is yet another of those annoying Generation Y slackers who all seemed to be named after movie characters. You don't even have a karate class in your background. You're not really sure how you keep your job, to be honest, and if you were the boss you'd see right through your BS and fire your lazy ass. You consider yourself an above average individual lost in the corporate world of bureaucracy and BS. You've always thought, if the right situation came up, you'd dig in and shine. Well, the right situation just came up.

The corporate rat race? Screw it. No more "team building exercises" , no more "sensitivity training", no more lockstep corporate drones. This retreat, and the abasement of such an amazing place into mundane corporate culture, snapped it for you and four of your fellows. You never knew what a gruntle was, but you're pretty sure you've lost it. You're going to teach everyone a lesson, and if that means that they all have to die...so be it.

The distaste for manual labor which has kept your dead weight cow-orkers from dying at your hands for so long has been washed away by the bracing mountain air. Time to reduce some headcount.


But enough about you, here's some things about you.

(Public) I've climbed to the top chamber of Cheops.

I have been an assistant on an archaeological dig in the ancient Malian capital of Djenne.

I've wandered and built on an old, live Soviet bomb dump.

I have had a conversation with Michael Chiklis

I believe that homosexuals should be allowed to be as miserable as straight couples. If they want to get married, let them.

My great-great-grandfather was a duke in Sicily.



One thing has unsettled your disgruntled group. The vision. Something about this place captured a man's dying moment and is now replaying that to everyone present. As members of a conspiracy to commit mass murder, a potential recording of your deeds bothers you. You don't know if the next death will trigger a replacement of the old monk's last moments, but it's a possibility. Logically, since you're not seeing the death scenes of every monk who ever died here, the event was either a one-of or it will be replaced by the final moments of the next person to snuff it.

So, you've formed a tiger team to address the issue. Reviewing the minutes from your four minute meeting on the topic you've drafted an execution plan. Each Night a single member of your group will be given the action item to carry out an execution. By doing this you mitigate the risks of having all of you identified at once if the death scene of your soon to be late cow-orker does end up broadcast to the group.

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.
<snip>

The very very bad thing about publicly revealing the Dossiers is that the death scene writers will have that information. We need for the death scene writers to be confused. At the very least, we need to change the flavor of each item (except for the public one). As you can see, both Pleonast and I have an item that references "Cheops," but the flavor is different. We don't know what info the dead guys get and whether or not is is muddied or clear.

[sachertorte]

Wait. Silly me. The flavor isn't different. They are identical. I think I need lunch.

[freudianslit]

ah. Didn't see that Idle is actually Pleo...

Oh, here's my dossier.

(Public) Farts are really funny. People only pretend to not think they are.

I can say 'hello' and 'thank you' in nine languages.

My mother was a former NFL cheerleader.

I've eaten grilled cow udder more than once.

I have performed an exorcism.

I once drove a VW Bug through the front door of a 7/11.

[oaow]

Role PM

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You're a Disgruntled Associate (scum).

"Associate" is a fancy way of saying Employee these days. You have no training in law enforcement, no medical training, no military training. You think a Mason is yet another of those annoying Generation Y slackers who all seemed to be named after movie characters. You don't even have a karate class in your background. You're not really sure how you keep your job, to be honest, and if you were the boss you'd see right through your BS and fire your lazy ass. You consider yourself an above average individual lost in the corporate world of bureaucracy and BS. You've always thought, if the right situation came up, you'd dig in and shine. Well, the right situation just came up.

The corporate rat race? Screw it. No more "team building exercises" , no more "sensitivity training", no more lockstep corporate drones. This retreat, and the abasement of such an amazing place into mundane corporate culture, snapped it for you and four of your fellows. You never knew what a gruntle was, but you're pretty sure you've lost it. You're going to teach everyone a lesson, and if that means that they all have to die...so be it.

The distaste for manual labor which has kept your dead weight cow-orkers from dying at your hands for so long has been washed away by the bracing mountain air. Time to reduce some headcount.


But enough about you, here's some things about you.

(Public) I once had sex in front of the Washington Monument.

I believe that homosexuals should be allowed to be as miserable as straight couples. If they want to get married, let them.

I've travelled with royalty in torn T-shirt and jeans.

I have gone to Disney World 3 times and Disneyland at least 5 times

I worked as a professional audio engineer for three years.

I once drove a VW Bug through the front door of a 7/11.


One thing has unsettled your disgruntled group. The vision. Something about this place captured a man's dying moment and is now replaying that to everyone present. As members of a conspiracy to commit mass murder, a potential recording of your deeds bothers you. You don't know if the next death will trigger a replacement of the old monk's last moments, but it's a possibility. Logically, since you're not seeing the death scenes of every monk who ever died here, the event was either a one-of or it will be replaced by the final moments of the next person to snuff it.

So, you've formed a tiger team to address the issue. Reviewing the minutes from your four minute meeting on the topic you've drafted an execution plan. Each Night a single member of your group will be given the action item to carry out an execution. By doing this you mitigate the risks of having all of you identified at once if the death scene of your soon to be late cow-orker does end up broadcast to the group.

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

You and your true peers can talk privately here:

masontalk.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=scum

It is password protected. The password is:

sharks

and is case sensitive.

Please confirm recipt of this PM by going to the site and posting to the welcome thread.

I think we should be "nice" and kill an oldtimer tonight rather than a newbie

[pleonast]

sachertorte said:

pleonast said:

My intention is to post my Dossier in the game thread when the Day first starts. It'll be an adulterated Dossier, though, based on what you guys' Dossiers look like.

That's a very risky move. I'm not sure if the town has matured enough to recognize it as a crazy move by scum.

I thinks it's doable. If anyone accuses me of scumminess for revealing my Dossier, I'll point to the Bladerunner game as Exhibit A demonstrating that crazy ideas does not indicate anything about alignment.

Worst case, I'll be a huge distraction before getting lynched.

Hazel, can you post your Dossier?

[pleonast]

Let's kill CatInASuit. He's still alive in the Bladerunner game, and so won't be too put out for being insta-killed.

By the way, I've put our Dossiers into a Google doc for my convenience, but you all are welcome to view it. Disgruntled Dossiers

[freudianslit]

Cool...but the link is saying "page not found" for me.

[sachertorte]

We should look at the intro post before deciding who to kill and who should do the killing.

[sachertorte]

We should kill the person whose public attribute does not match any of our secret attributes (If there is one). Or the one with the public attribute that overlaps with us the least.

The person doing the killing should be the one whose private attributes match the most innocent public attributes.

[freudianslit]

When do we have access to public attributes?

[naf1138]

freudianslit said:

When do we have access to public attributes?

When opening color is posted. I am still waiting on a few more confirms.

[freudianslit]

Okay...sachertorte's strategy seems sound.